Alright, so I'm guessing we're done with skill and now it's up for the voters to decide who they view to be more skilled, overall, so lets get to gear and stats.
Gear:
Next up is the simple gear Buffy has. Buffy is a simple girl with basic Gear. nothing too special. For this fight she has several Stakes. Wooden Stakes are great for close combat and throwing weapons.
Alright, that's good, but it's wood. I've shown how batarangs cut through metal and steel, so Cassandra can easily intercept the stakes with her batarangs. Or she can just dodge them; given Cass is a casual bullet-timer, plus has that special ability of hers, I don't think the stakes will be tagging her.
Uses knives, nail files, sticks of the ground, and a ceiling fan to cut another Vamp in half. She can throw these weapons with the accuracy, range, and speed to tag FTE Vamps in the heart from dozens of feet away. Throws a ceiling fan so hard to cut a Vamp in half. I think range is a huge advantage for Buffy, more so as she should catch Cains own Batarangs fine and re use them to greater effect.
As I've shown in the post above, Cassandra has caught throwing stars moving at FTE speeds and redirected them fast enough that several of Shiva's best students, who also had an environmental edge, couldn't dodge them in time. What makes this feat more impressive is that she went for days without food or sleep, so she was understandably exhausted:
I'm guessing this will sting Buffy if she catches it. But Cassandra is also no stranger to improsived weaponry. She uses a robots head and throws it with enough accuracy that it deflects off a wall and decapitates two other robots:
The Slayer Scythe is a powerful magical weapon, directly link to the Seed (Source of all Magic in the Universe) itself, which is the source of all magic in the Universe. This weapons is stated as second to Excalibur as a magical weapon, and to be unbreakable. So unbreakable It has broken only twice in showings. First time against a fight with Fray by Buffy herself. Both were using a Slayer Scythe, though being in the far flung future, the Scythe Fray was using itself is questionable as the original. Explains why it broke in fact. The original and true Scythe has only been shown to broke when struck against the Seed which in turn ended all Magic in the universe. Its so effective as a magical weapon, that even when broken and all magic in the universe gone, the broken Scythe was still able to generate magical energy to rip holes in reality. That is how powerful the weapon is. What does this mean in a fight? Might as well treat it like Admanatium or Uru metal. Its insane sharp, cut through other powerful weapons, and nigh unbreakable.
So it's a plot device weapon, and an incredibly powerful one at that. Obviously Cassandra would want to stear clear of it, and given her speed and near-precognitive power I'm sure she will. I'll grant you, this scythe could be a game changer, but I don't believe it will be most of the time.Cassandra can dodge it, redirect/deflect it with her own gear, and her durability would allow her to take a strike if it lands(I'll get to why later in the post).
Now, some more of Blackbat's gear: there's her nifty little flamethrower that instantly set Gemini, a shapeshifting semi-robotic warrior, ablaze:
In terms of sheer versatility, Cassandra has Buffy beat. And in terms of application of gear, she also has the Slayer beat because each and every one of her tools can be used in a variety of ways. Now onto:
Stats:
Before we go into this section, I feel we should throw arbitrary battleforum terms like "superhuman" vs "peak human" out the window. The standards of what is superhuman can vary from universe to universe, in fiction. Even someone like Stephanie Brown can perform feats that we, in our normal world, might consider superhuman, but by DC standards she's Olympic class at best. With that out of the way...
Just to really grasp her strength, this is Spike, that badass Vamp I mention earlier. Here Spike casually lifts a car and flips it. Pretty strong. Yet Spike is unable to lift this Troll God Hammer do to its weight. Buffy on the other hand one hands lifts the Hammer fine. Thats the strength level Cass has to deal with.There is no scenario here where Cass does not get overpowered in a grapple situation or able to go punch for punch.
Impressive, but this is honestly more of a lifting strength feat, wouldn't you say? And while I do agree Buffy will have the advantage in a straight up grapple, Cassandra's speed, foresight, tactical mind and overall preference to dance around opponents means chances of Buffy getting Cass in a headlock are next-to-none. But as for straight up striking strength, so far I've demonstrated that Cassandra is every bit as capable as Buffy in that department.
If all else fails, Cassandra's pressure points and nerve pinches are pretty devastating themselves. She's taken out car-throwing, rock smashing superhumans with them, after all:
I'll concede Buffy is, overall, better in this category. But Cassandra isn't exactly made of glass either. Since she was a child, her father played "Two-For-Flinching" with her... with bullets:
Even as an 8 year old child, Cassandra's damage soak allows her to tank a bullet to the shoulder and smile:
-- Batgirl: Secret Files And Origins
But if you want a true testament on Cassandra's sheer endurance and pain tolerance, one of the best examples is her fight with Mad Dog. After days of no food or sleep, after fighting through hordes of zombies and some of Lady Shiva's best students, Cassandra fights her half-brother Mad Dog and gets stabbed through the chest:
And after that massive stab wound, Orphan stomps her brother:
She eventually faints, and "dies" from hypothermia, but note that even after days of fighting, without food or sleep, and facing off against some of the best martial artists in the world, in the freezing cold, Cassandra takes a stab wound to the center of her chest and still keeps fighting long enough to KO her brother Mad Dog(who was damn near a metahuman). Buffy will have a hard time putting someone this determined down.
Thoughts so far:
We'll save speed for our last post, which I think is fair, but so far:
Cassandra is more skilled
Cassandra has a talent Buffy cannot counter
Cassandra has more versatile gear
Cassandra isn't as durable as Buffy, but has insane damage soak
Cassandra's striking strength is just as good as Buffy's and she can use it better in combat, in tandem with her speed and skill
Overall, I'd still say Bagirl has what it takes to win this fight.
Lets continue:
Alright, so I'm guessing we're done with skill and now it's up for the voters to decide who they view to be more skilled, overall, so lets get to gear and stats.
Gear:
Next up is the simple gear Buffy has. Buffy is a simple girl with basic Gear. nothing too special. For this fight she has several Stakes. Wooden Stakes are great for close combat and throwing weapons.
Alright, that's good, but it's wood. I've shown how batarangs cut through metal and steel, so Cassandra can easily intercept the stakes with her batarangs. Or she can just dodge them; given Cass is a casual bullet-timer, plus has that special ability of hers, I don't think the stakes will be tagging her.
Uses knives, nail files, sticks of the ground, and a ceiling fan to cut another Vamp in half. She can throw these weapons with the accuracy, range, and speed to tag FTE Vamps in the heart from dozens of feet away. Throws a ceiling fan so hard to cut a Vamp in half. I think range is a huge advantage for Buffy, more so as she should catch Cains own Batarangs fine and re use them to greater effect.
As I've shown in the post above, Cassandra has caught throwing stars moving at FTE speeds and redirected them fast enough that several of Shiva's best students, who also had an environmental edge, couldn't dodge them in time. What makes this feat more impressive is that she went for days without food or sleep, so she was understandably exhausted:
-- Batgirl #71
As for Buffy catching what the Orphan throws at her, that might actually help Cassandra since she does carry around explosives as well:
-- Batgirl #52
I'm guessing this will sting Buffy if she catches it. But Cassandra is also no stranger to improsived weaponry. She uses a robots head and throws it with enough accuracy that it deflects off a wall and decapitates two other robots:
-- Robin #88
The Slayer Scythe is a powerful magical weapon, directly link to the Seed (Source of all Magic in the Universe) itself, which is the source of all magic in the Universe. This weapons is stated as second to Excalibur as a magical weapon, and to be unbreakable. So unbreakable It has broken only twice in showings. First time against a fight with Fray by Buffy herself. Both were using a Slayer Scythe, though being in the far flung future, the Scythe Fray was using itself is questionable as the original. Explains why it broke in fact. The original and true Scythe has only been shown to broke when struck against the Seed which in turn ended all Magic in the universe. Its so effective as a magical weapon, that even when broken and all magic in the universe gone, the broken Scythe was still able to generate magical energy to rip holes in reality. That is how powerful the weapon is. What does this mean in a fight? Might as well treat it like Admanatium or Uru metal. Its insane sharp, cut through other powerful weapons, and nigh unbreakable.
So it's a plot device weapon, and an incredibly powerful one at that. Obviously Cassandra would want to stear clear of it, and given her speed and near-precognitive power I'm sure she will. I'll grant you, this scythe could be a game changer, but I don't believe it will be most of the time.Cassandra can dodge it, redirect/deflect it with her own gear, and her durability would allow her to take a strike if it lands(I'll get to why later in the post).
Now, some more of Blackbat's gear: there's her nifty little flamethrower that instantly set Gemini, a shapeshifting semi-robotic warrior, ablaze:
-- Batgirl #61
She has an acid pack which can blind opponents:
-- Batgirl #72
And she has a gun which can shoot out a net to trap people(she doesn't like using it often, but she has it):
-- Batgirl #73
In terms of sheer versatility, Cassandra has Buffy beat. And in terms of application of gear, she also has the Slayer beat because each and every one of her tools can be used in a variety of ways. Now onto:
Stats:
Before we go into this section, I feel we should throw arbitrary battleforum terms like "superhuman" vs "peak human" out the window. The standards of what is superhuman can vary from universe to universe, in fiction. Even someone like Stephanie Brown can perform feats that we, in our normal world, might consider superhuman, but by DC standards she's Olympic class at best. With that out of the way...
Strength
Buffy has kicked a solid stone statue to rubble.
A good feat but Cass has one that's just as good:
-- Batgirl #50
Bent rifle barrels with her hands with ease. Bends and twists open steel bars of a prison cell in seconds time frame.
I'd honestly say Batgirl breaking a metal blade is a more impressive feat.
-- Batgirl #25
Buffy has shown time and again to punch holes through demons, even armored giant beetles.
Impressive. However, I'd wager Orphan breaking missile proof, three-inch quartz glass in a few hits is better:
-- Batgirl 19
Batgirl has also summoned the force capable of crushing a standard human skull, casually, in order to one-shot a metahuman:
-- Batgirl #33
Just to really grasp her strength, this is Spike, that badass Vamp I mention earlier. Here Spike casually lifts a car and flips it. Pretty strong. Yet Spike is unable to lift this Troll God Hammer do to its weight. Buffy on the other hand one hands lifts the Hammer fine. Thats the strength level Cass has to deal with.There is no scenario here where Cass does not get overpowered in a grapple situation or able to go punch for punch.
Impressive, but this is honestly more of a lifting strength feat, wouldn't you say? And while I do agree Buffy will have the advantage in a straight up grapple, Cassandra's speed, foresight, tactical mind and overall preference to dance around opponents means chances of Buffy getting Cass in a headlock are next-to-none. But as for straight up striking strength, so far I've demonstrated that Cassandra is every bit as capable as Buffy in that department.
If all else fails, Cassandra's pressure points and nerve pinches are pretty devastating themselves. She's taken out car-throwing, rock smashing superhumans with them, after all:
-- Batgirl #45
Durability
I'll concede Buffy is, overall, better in this category. But Cassandra isn't exactly made of glass either. Since she was a child, her father played "Two-For-Flinching" with her... with bullets:
-- Batgirl #59
Even as an 8 year old child, Cassandra's damage soak allows her to tank a bullet to the shoulder and smile:
-- Batgirl: Secret Files And Origins
But if you want a true testament on Cassandra's sheer endurance and pain tolerance, one of the best examples is her fight with Mad Dog. After days of no food or sleep, after fighting through hordes of zombies and some of Lady Shiva's best students, Cassandra fights her half-brother Mad Dog and gets stabbed through the chest:
And after that massive stab wound, Orphan stomps her brother:
-- Batgirl #72
She eventually faints, and "dies" from hypothermia, but note that even after days of fighting, without food or sleep, and facing off against some of the best martial artists in the world, in the freezing cold, Cassandra takes a stab wound to the center of her chest and still keeps fighting long enough to KO her brother Mad Dog(who was damn near a metahuman). Buffy will have a hard time putting someone this determined down.
Thoughts so far:
We'll save speed for our last post, which I think is fair, but so far:
Cassandra is more skilled
Cassandra has a talent Buffy cannot counter
Cassandra has more versatile gear
Cassandra isn't as durable as Buffy, but has insane damage soak
Cassandra's striking strength is just as good as Buffy's and she can use it better in combat, in tandem with her speed and skill
Overall, I'd still say Bagirl has what it takes to win this fight.