CaD: Gear 4th Luffy (Defiant_Will) vs Madara Uchiha (DarthjHawk)

Hey this CaD, is cancelled as both debaters have lost interest. Apologies folks.

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Madara Uchiha: The Fallen Leaf of Konoha

Character Theme: The God Awakened

Part One: Versatility Advantage

The version of Madara I'll be using is the one seen in the pic above, Revived + Sage Mode. While thats a massive power in of itself, I will also be stacking Madara's Rinnegan as well as his previously shown abilities. Collectively we get the ever famous or maybe infamous Composite Pre-Ten Tails Madara. As such I'll be able to use a plethora of his showings that all culminated into this form and what accelerated his power to allow him to compete with, and even surpass in my opinion most One Piece characters, namely Luffy today. The first part of that is what I feel is Madara's massive advantage in versatility. Something that I feel in combination with his physicality will net him the win. Anyway let's move on to those abilities.

• Elemental Jutsu Arsenal:(Ch. 560-1,601) Madara's unique (at least in this battle) form of energy & construct generation, manipulation, and output. Including the likes of Wind, Fire, and Wood Styles, these attacks offer Madara a combination of battlefield control, close-mid range offensive options, as well as long range options. Furthermore the caveat of these being made from his chakra as well as being able to infuse natural energy into the, offers another layer of output that I don't think Luffy can deal with easily.

• Clones: (Ch.577-8) One of Madara's lesser known and used abilities. They are just as strong, fast, and skilled as he is. While not as durable they can also use any ability Madara can to nearly the same level. Finally along with providing useful methods of distraction, teamwork, and tactical advantage, Luffy has no way to counter these outside of raw power.

• Ocular Jutsu:(Ch.560) Madara's most used ability. Both his Sharingan and Rinnegan offer supportive, offensive and defensive versatility to his arsenal. This includes but is not limited to enhanced sensory, precognition, illusion casting/manipulation, gravitational manipulation, and construct manipulation

• Susanoo:(Ch. 560) An aspect of the Sharingan's final stage. Susanoo is physical manifestation of Madara's chakra that takes the shape of a samurai like armor. It can be used for both offense and defense. Through this Madara has an element that force Luffy on the backfoot with its massive, size, power and speed.

• Senjutsu:(Ch.657) The combination and balancing of Madara's own chakra and the natural energy of the planet. Senjutsu gives Madara access to Sage Mode, increasing his physicals massively, along with giving a massive boost to his jutsu.

• Sensory Capabilities:(Ch.661) A unique component of Sage Mode and Madara's ocular abilities. Madara's sensory input is increased massively allowing him to avoid attacks he cant normally perceive or is even aware of. That leg up is what will give him an advantage in speed over Luffy despite his own.

Culmination of Versatility: Overwhelming the Five Kage

As always, I want to show a section where the character I'm using has displayed effective use of their versatility in battle. And that is what I'll be doing here. Namely by showing Madara completely overwhelming multiple opponents at once through his versatility alone.

Read R-L; Here's link in case the image is unclear. But as shown, when fighting seriously, Madara is able to handle his opponents with incredible ease, without laying an actual finger on them.

• Scan 1-2: When being attacked by Ohnoki's stone golem, Madara counters with his Wood Release, destroying it and reshaping the battlefield, forcing the Kage to flight.

• Scan 3-4: The Pollen from Madara's DFB begins to affect and debilitate the Kage, and then he attacks them with Susanoo, smacking them down into the forest. Because of that and the pollen, the kage can barely move by this point

• Scan 5-6: Madara then ends the combo by burning chunks of the forest with his Fire Release, trapping the Kage in a burning forest with the pollen.

So what does this show? That Madara is willing to use anything and everything in his arsenal to win. And can do so without ever physically engaging in close quarters combat. Combined with his speed and sheer potency, this makes him, as I said deadly on sheer versatility alone. That is not to say he is physically weak however, in fact that is the complete opposite.

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Part Two: Physicality Advantage:

I know this will be a large part of your debate, so I'll start off by getting right into it. Establishing both speed and general strength, Madara is shown to be very impressive. Being able to outpace and physically match BM Naruto through both his own strength and Susanoo:

Which is highly impressive due to the inherent superiority Madara shows to this version of Naruto. Who when first accessing this level of power was able to greatly out-speed and punches five Tailed Beast Bombs (mountain vaporizing- multi-mountain destroying) in different directions after they had been fired. (Ch. 571). This increases in impressiveness since; Standard tailed beast bombs were shown to cross hundreds of miles, a mountain range, across an ocean, as well as mow down mountainous objects in an extremely short amount of time. (Ch. 621).

Madara himself was already on this level as shown during his battle with Hashirama, and shows that he has surpassed it by the time he battles Naruto, and in terms of sheer physical speed and power, is nowhere near his peak as the version here stacks his full physical power along with Sage Mode that increases his power by magnitudes. This is only backed up by his consistency of feats with the Destructive Capacity/Attack Potency of his jutsu:

• Scan 1: Edo Tensei Madara is shown to be capable of casually calling down two mountain sized meteors moving at hypersonic speeds which yields at a minimum country level output.

• Scan 2: Madara's Wood Release is able to overpower & restrain both Kurama and Gyuki in their full avatar states who both scale above BM Naruto in power and strength, but also have feats of their own (Ch.439/630) like overpowering the mountain ranged mass and sized Chibaku Tensei or stopping a Ten Tails Beast Bomb

• Scan 3: Madara's Fire Release is shown to scale to the Ten Tails (a mountain sized creature) in size, with the size equating to potency here as the weakest Fireball Jutsu could vaporize rock/stone. (Ch. 7).

As far as durability, since Luffy is a primarily physical fighter, I'll cover blunt force as a focus for now. In regards to his Susanoo Madara's has shown to protect him large island level force in Seventh Gate Guy's Hirudora:

I mentioned large island level force, and I meant exactly that. Guy's Hirudora has been shown to be the force and air pressure of a punch, that dwarfs Turtle Island in both size and volume, while causing sizable shockwaves across it. (Ch.507)Without even punching the island itself, and the island is massive (Ch. 515). This is consistent with Madara's Susanoo protecting him from, even no selling a portion of the Ten Tails Cataclysm (Ch.628-9). Which as shown is at bare minimum a country busting+ attack. That's not to say Madara has to rely on Susanoo however. As he has already been shown to endure multiple attacks from the Tailed Beasts without it. (Ch.658). The Tailed Beasts at a minimum all scale to multi-mountain level, so this only speaks to Madara's own durability and endurance.

Culmination of Versatility: Overwhelming The Allied Shinobi Force

• Scan 1: Madara was shown to casually overwhelm Tobirama Senju in speed and skill, Tobirma being someone who abuses teleportation in combat via the FTG Jutsu, as well as being able react and combat the roots of the Divine Tree, which travel at high quad mach speeds around the planet to ensnare its targets

• Scan 2: Through his Limbo Clone, Madara was shown to be able to blitz and physically overpower the Tailed Beasts with one blow each, stunning them for long enough to be able to pin them with Gedo Statue

• Scan 3: Madara is shown to move FTE to Sage Mode Naruto and Hashirama and overpower them (Hashirama was debilitated by chakra rods but that doesn't change the FTE) both of whom operated in the previous MHS+ speed range I mentioned before.

This should be a solid indication of Madara's physical might, as well as the consistent use he puts it to. By incorporating his versatility into the mix, he becomes an extremely deadly opponent that can overwhelm the best of the best.

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Part Three: What Comes Next

Make no mistake, Luffy is powerful and impressive. I have no doubt about his power and what you'll be bringing to the table. However I do believe that Madara has him outmatched overall. While one could argue Luffy's superiority in some, I feel Madara can use his more effectively without burning himself out or leaving himself open. Madara has the stats to at least match Luffy, along with the versatility to overwhelm him. This post was meant to establish Madara's core advantages. The full scope of his power and versatility will be explored as needed. My following post will detail that versatility and just how effective it will be. More than likely I'll be bringing up Perfect Susanoo, Genjutsu, and further Rinnegan abilities. I look forward to your post and the actual debating. For now I'll leave the rest to you.

Good luck to us both!

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